Updated: Divers Charged With Stealing Golf Balls from White Manor, Aronimink Country Clubs
Three men and one woman were arrested early Wednesday morning.
NEWTOWN SQUARE–Four people were arrested and charged with stealing golf balls out of ponds at White Manor Country Club in Willistown and Aronimink Golf Club in Newtown Square early Wednesday morning.
A Newtown Township Police sergeant stopped a white van with a trailer outside Aronimink Golf Club early Wednesday morning. Inside were three men, one woman and 8,000 golf balls. According to the police report:
The occupants claimed that they were collecting golf balls to be reconditioned for the course. It was learned from the occupants that they would use dive equipment to dive into the pond and retrieve the balls. During the course of their investigation, Sgt. Sebra discovered that this was not the case, and that the [actors] did not have permission to be on the property or to remove golf balls from the pond.
The four suspects—Daniel P. Curry, 31, Charles D. Creed IV, 26, Robert D. Sauve III, 28 and Carisa N. Osmond, 23—all from Saginaw, Mich., were arraigned Wednesday afternoon before Judge Chester Darlington. They face charges of theft, receiving stolen property and defiant trespass.
When asked by the judge about his employment, Curry replied that he owns a ball-retrieval business called Plus 1, which he has run for seven years. Each defendant was released on 10 percent of $5,000 bail and has a preliminary hearing date in early May. After the arraignment, Curry said the arrest was due to a miscommunication. He said he has contracts with other golf courses in the area, and was told through a business associate that he could collect balls from Aronimink and White Manor for evaluation.
[Editor's note: This story was updated from an earlier version. The previous version indicated that four men had been arrested.]
Jim
12:16 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Golf balls the new copper?
jack putt
4:10 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
The only golf courses who own their 'balls' pun intended, are commercial driving ranges. A normal golf course will have no proof they owned the balls, as players who miss the green loose the balls in the course. A course could not sue a golfer for retrieving their balls from the rough, a sand trap, or a water trap. I would suspect that a very small percent of water trap balls even have a golf course logo on them, most would be brand name balls.
Trish Dudas
5:38 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
This has to be one of the strangest stories I have ever heard.
Matthew
5:38 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
To Funny,, I wonder if the guys Associates told him he could also have a free membership if he did a good job :)
Stan Hess
1:01 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I guess the golf course wasn't getting their cut!!!
Thisa Caloge
4:24 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
correct. It is contract business, very big money.
NYS Parkie
1:03 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I play here 4 times a week. I lose on average 2 balls in that pond each time I play. I have been playing here for 10 years. All those balls are mine and I am just reclaiming them.
Chas Perochio
3:14 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
8 balls a week into that pond for 10 years? Maybe you should get better at golf.
Ant 3
5:05 am on Sunday, April 22, 2012
hahaha. you need some lessons bro
George Van Tuyl
1:11 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I can see a trespassing charge on the Golf Course maybe! But golf balls have been taken out of every water hazard in the world with out any complaints. This charge is a stretch. Maybe the Judge is head of the country club that runs the course. Reference, Caddy Shack.
John Cummings
2:40 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Golf courses make money by letting ball divers go in their lakes for a fee. There is big money in second hand golf balls. The people who sneak in dont really hurt the golf courses, but they really hurt the guys who pay the course ahead of time to dive for balls. One group steals and runs off tax free, the other group pays to collect the balls and pays taxes on the money they make.
swanvalleygrad
11:10 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Not one of these people could actually get a real job due to their prior police records, I went to high school with these kids and they have been in and out of jail their entire lives. Can't speak for the girl, but the other three couldn't get a job at mcdonalds. I personally think this is hillarious!!
Cotten Hill
1:11 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Great, can I get mine back?
Joe
1:11 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Really!?!? $5k bail to boot. I feel a lot safer now!
Don Smith
1:12 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Meanwhile drug dealers get a pass, home invaders get a pass, child molesters get a pass, crooked politicians get a pass, the list goes on and on and on. But hey, lets arrest the golf ball theives. Way to go Keystones.
Nabob
11:57 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
All those people you mentioned who get a pass? Not in Chester County they don't.
LBB
4:09 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Oh, Don. Please get a life. This story has nothing to do with drug dealers, home invaders, child molesters, or crooked politicians.
Besides, if we let you prioritize things, nobody except serial murderers should ever be arrested - because certainly that's who the police should be investigating (instead of drug dealers, home invaders, child molesters, crooked politicians, etc.). Right?
J Lee
11:41 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
to LBB I agree with Don. This is a waste of time and funds that could be used for stopping, or at least hindering, crime that hurts others. There are so many reasons why this is stupid. As many have pointed out--the golf balls don't belong to the club-they belong to the golfers who bought and lost them. They aren't stealing because they are abandond property. The only real crime here is tresspassing. We know that the motivation for tresspassing is nonviolent. One would think that this should be a misdemeanor.
lINDA
3:16 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
i agree. Give them a warning that you dont want them taking these golfballs and let them go. Then go pay someone else to clean the pond!
Brian H
1:13 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
When the water gods claim a golf ball only the scuba priests and priestesses are allowed to retrieve it. Any country club that doesn't understand this is asking to a plague of locusts.
Mark Matis
5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Were the course operators collecting the golf balls themselves? Or were they leaving them in the ponds to pollute the aquifer feeding them? Sounds like the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection ought to pay a visit to this golf course...
Scott Hetikiimo
1:15 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Wow... Newtown, Michigan doesn't mess around...
...Take a look at what $5K bail buys you in Massachusetts...
$5K Bail: Man, wanted on warrant for 2-counts assault and battery with dangerous weapon, arrested for assaulting deaf woman on train... Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/24525726/detail.html#ixzz1sUTrIcWD
$5K Bail: Man, arrested for kidnapping, armed robbery, assault with a dangerous weapon... Read more: http://www.patriotledger.com/topstories/x2139486126/Kidnap-suspects-bail-set-at-5-000-after-arrest-at-gunpoint-in-Hingham
Mssc54
1:24 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Thank God these criminals were captured and no golfers were injured!
Steven Tullius
1:25 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Back in 1979 in Navy Boot Camp one of the NAVY SEALS did the the same thing, poisonous snakes and rare alligator from time to to time. I thought it he was crazy at first but he was trained to deal with nature. As for steeling the ball I say no way If people knows were there balls are and don't get them they forfeit ownership Knowingly. If the country club didn't retrieve them same thing they were picking up trash that was in a pond.
Now Trespassing is another story, If he was a member or had a written agreement giving permission from the country club. He was cleaning up trash left behind by others. If I was the judge a minor infraction like this I would make Both the shake hands and stop using our taxes for minor nonsense share court cost Then the country club can make an written agreement or tell them Trespassing charges will be unforced WTH? Why can people deal with issues like Gentlemen anymore?
LBB
4:13 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
How would you compensate the hard-working guy who makes his living by diving for golf balls and actually pays for the privilege of diving on that course - but won't make any money because these idiots took the 8000 golf balls out of the pond?
J Lee
11:54 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
To LBB--the question is does paying the CC to collect the lost balls automaticly mean that you own all the wayward balls on the course? Does paying for the privilage of collecting them mean that you own them before collected? Because if it does then yes-they are guilty but if no than it is just bad luck that someone got there first. I have all the sympathy in the world for a hard working person trying to make a buck the honest way but life isn't fair as most of us hard working folk know.
WilliamPenn
1:33 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
You're gonna do a big caper like that, you're gonna need Navy SEALS. They don't get caught.
Karen Tharp
4:58 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
great point. but, why not hire X- Presidential Secret Service Agents who do get
caught.
Joseph Momma
5:29 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
They can't hire the ex-secret-service guys for this... Their balls are in a vise (or is that vice?)
Michael
1:38 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Sneaking onto a golf course to dive in the pond and take inventory? That takes balls.
Hank Warren
5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Baseless arrests, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.
They violate the 1st Amendment by caging protesters and banning books like "America Deceived II".
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by allowing TSA to grope you.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars.
Impeach Obama, support Ron Paul.
Last link of "America Deceived II" before it is completely banned:
http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437
Fido
1:45 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
In a follow up to the story, all 8,000 balls were Obama the Dog Eater's. I guess his frequent trips to the golf course is his jobs plan.
jon sims
1:45 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
We used to do this every summer as kids!
Know Wonder
11:43 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
That's par for the course.
balljoe
11:44 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
I've got some balls you can shine up.
Grampa M
11:44 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
They could be charged with trespassing, but I don't see how they could be charged with stealing the golf balls. The golf balls were the property of the golfer that hit them into the water and not the property of the golf course... simply because the golfer didn't retrieve the ball never conveyed the ownership to the golf course that would imply that if you forgot your wallet at the country club that once you left the wallet was theirs along with all the contents.
The golf club is only upset because they were going to STEAL the golf balls that were lost and resell them themselves.
Scott Lokken
5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I have been in the business for many years and have tried to have people prosecuted for this type of theft. The problem is that the golf balls are considered "abandoned property" so the most they can be charged with is trespassing. The country club doesn't own the golf balls since they were abandoned by the golfers.
hebgb
5:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
The story didn't say the if courses retreive their own balls to recondition or resell. Do they do that? Or are they just worried about liability and break in (trespass).
Jerry Long
11:44 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
I hear they are asking for a mulligan on this one.
JT
11:57 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
They should have been wearing TSA uniforms. Everyone knows they can grab as many balls as they want with no repercussions.
ETEE
11:56 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
The EPA will be along shortly to "reclaim" those golf balls for the Federal Dot.Gov, as they were removed from "wetland waterbottoms" and therefore part of the "natural habitat" of migrating waterfowl, blah, blah, blah...............
olaf auer
11:56 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
This is why the least government is the best government.
BillnRinggold
2:11 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
In Miami as a police officer in the early '60s, I was called to the Doral Country Club to arrest 2 scuba divers taking balls from their lakes. They were arrested for trespassing. On the court date, the State Attorney asked me is if would approve dropping the charges pursuant to the owner's request. I didn't mind but I went over to the very wealthy owner and asked him why. He told me that the two were going to pay him $2K per year for the rights to retrieve the balls. I said to him that I couldn't understand why he was doing that as $2K was chicken feed to him. He told me "Son, two thousand dollars in my business is nothing. But, two thousand cash that my wife doesn't know about is big bucks!"
robert poznanski
2:39 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
That,s It! From now on, I'm charging the Golf course for the balls that their pond "ate", because,its only fair! The course, logically speaking, doesn't "own" those balls, the owners have lost them! Where does ownership, begin and end!! Time to get the Federal Courts involved!! (It could possibly go all the way, to the Supreme Court!!!)
Michael Stuart
2:41 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
It's awesome that a city official in a small town outside Chicago can steal $30M and get released on $4500 OR bond, less than the $5k for reclaiming golf balls. God bless AMERIKA
Joseph P Altemus
2:50 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Typically, a golf ball retrival company pays the course between 25 to 50 cents per ball retrieved, the math says they stole between 2 and 4 THOUSAND dollars, a good take fofor any thief
Old diver
7:19 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
Hum I have dove for balls and paid courses. more like $.06 to .08 on balls bought from the course I dont know where you get .25 to .50 wow your not in business much right
Scott Liput
3:24 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
so, how can be charged with both theft and receiving stolen property? it is one or the other...right? and i don't know the rules in PA...but if someone loses something on your property, and someone else recovers it...is that really theft...did the golf course ever really 'own' it?
LBB
4:18 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
In PA, the charges of theft and receiving stolen property are almost always charged together. "Receiving Stolen Property" is defined like possession of stolen property.
So, if you have stolen property in your possession, that is automatically RSP. If they can show you are the one who stole it, you get Theft + RSP.
Hope this makes sense!
Ethelred TheUnready
4:09 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Balls cried the Queen....if I had two I'd be King.
Lincoln Stern
4:56 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
They had to have balls to pull this off.
ETuckerSpacey
4:58 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Paid $16.30 for a sleeve (3 balls) of ProV1xs yesterday.......how can a get a hold of these incredible business people?
ETucker
Scott Johnstun
6:20 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Was there a sign posted saying that only authorized golf ball removal approved. I guess I should have to sigh a sheet that says while on the course no matter where on the course I am I am approved for golf ball removal! Once my round is completed my approval is pulled. I have seen signs for no fishing or swimming but I can't think of one that says no golf ball removal!
biff comstein
6:41 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
As high school kids we used to do it at country clubs (better quality balls than public courses). We did it without diving equipment. We used to get liquored up, go to the water holes and pick them up with our toes. 2-3 of us would get hundreds of good balls in an hour. Used to sell the $3-4 dollar Titleist ProV1's for a buck each. We made great money. We asked a guy who worked there one time who payed to get the balls out of the ponds and he looked at us like we were crazy. Said no one ever fooled with getting the balls out of the ponds. So not every course gets paid to have the balls retrieved.
Scondo
7:04 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Cop was tipped off, a little birdie told him.
Buck Bagaw
7:09 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
This is what cops have to do when there is nothing to do. Book'em Danno!!
J Lee
11:49 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Wow, turns out I am a criminal. I had no idea! When I was a kid I lived across the street from the local Country Club golf course. In the evenings, after the golfers were all gone, we would go across the street and play on the golf course. It was a wonderful place to play and we were always very careful not to do any damage to the landscape or mess up the sandtraps etc. We would gather up all the golf balls and then sell them back to thr golfers for anywhere from 5 to 25 cents depending on the condition. The golfers would laugh when they found their own ball, we would call the dime a finders fee. Of course we were little kids and they thought we were cute.
bob m
11:51 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
a golf ball hit into the water is considered abondoned property. trespassing is about all they are guilty of. take it from a former owner of a used golf ball company who was cought a few times in his 36 year career ! ( i still made millions ! )
citizenknow
8:19 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Why was he arraigned in Chester County when the course is in Newtown Township, Delaware County?
Pete Kennedy
10:24 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
The charges stemming from White Manor were more serious, possibly because the number of golf balls was higher.
19073 resident
11:03 am on Saturday, April 21, 2012
Newtown Police I read charged them with trespassing, Willistown charged them with theft and trespassing. So they had to pay the ticket first in Delaware County, then were arraigned in Chester County on misdemeanor theft.
Lisa
4:57 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012
To the scholar that posted from Swan Valley...
What high and mighty position do you hold with incorrect spelling like that. Good people make mistakes and learn from them. I am saddened by you finding joy in others problems. Their business is legitimate. Mind your own business...or man up and put your name with your comment!
Linda O'Connor
10:18 am on Sunday, April 22, 2012
The allegeged persons involved come from a town were their mothers home was broken into three times. The police did not even try to catch those bad guys. I guess this town has a fat bank roll of taxpayers money to spend on this!
citizenknow
1:40 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
As unfortunate as it is where their houses were broken into, even if it's true, that's no excuse for their behavior. Furthermore, thats nothing to say bad about the efficient and heads up police work by the officers involved.
madmikey
5:49 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
I say good job to the young men who risked life & limb to clean out those ponds for them. They should get legitimate contracts from all the golf courses now. They know how to clean them ponds out good. It could be a great money making thing for both parties involved. They also would be good consultants for the courses on how to keep other poachers off their course.
Old diver
7:27 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
The Police Officers should have said "boys Thanks for the pull our police station will put these to good use" That for saving our country a little more oil which these balls are made from. And also Thanks for selling these back to the everyday guy which now can spread a little more money around our town that he saved on half price used balls!!!
lINDA
3:23 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012
WHO ARE YOU TO PASS JUDGEMENT. THEY DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO.
I HOPE THE CLUB HAS ENOUGH CLASS TO DROP THE CHARGES. (THIS TIME)
EDDIE
12:30 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
I GET BALLS OUT OF THE PONDS ON OVER 25 GOLF COURSES AND I WILL BUY YOUR BALLS