PennDOT Installing Ramps at Paoli Pike and Sugartown Road
The installation of accessible ramps is one part of a $7.5 million contract.
A reader asked the following question via Facebook:
Do you know anything about the construction at the intersection of Sugartown and Paoli Pike?
Answer: PennDOT is installing ADA-compliant ramps at that intersection. The ramps will provide wheelchair access to the pedestrian crossing button and provide protection being in from the road, according to PennDOT spokesperson Charles Metzger.
Both roads are state roads, so the intersection is PennDOT's domain. The new concrete ramps will have small, red pads with nubs on them to prevent wheelchairs from lurching forward. The pads also serves as a recognizable safety area for vision-impaired people using canes.
According to Metzger, Glasgow Construction is doing the work as part of a $7.8 million contract that also includes a similar project in Tredyffrin. Ramps are also being installed in that township at Croton Road and Old Eagle School Road.
The Willistown work should be completed by the end of next week, Metzger said.
Jackie
7:23 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Are they building sidewalks? How will these wheelchairs be getting to this intersection without sidewalks?
Jim
7:35 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
I don't see a lot of people wheelchairing down Sugartown Road.
DON THOMPSON
7:45 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
This project serves to continue PennDOT's reputation as the champion when it comes to wasting money.
Pete
7:59 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
I can't see how there is any benefit to having these ramps installed. Projects like this really give PennDOT a bad reputation. Someone probably has a list of intersections somewhere, maybe even a requirement for ramps, and didn't use their judgement in evaluating the need.
Sven
7:59 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
My vision impaired wheelchair bound son uses this intersection everyday on the way to Bryn Mawr Rehab. I thank Penndot for putting in the handicap ramps to nowhere.
Shannon
8:53 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Then obviously this intersection needs this improvement! But, shouldn't they then also be installing sidewalks, or at least widening the shoulder?
Mad Dog
8:14 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
I bet they could have put a turn signal in at King Road and 352 for less than $7.5MM...but it more fun to put your life at risk trying to make a left hand turn...Duane are you out there?
Shannon
8:51 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
A turn signal is DESPERATELY needed there! Or at the very least an extended green light. I've also seen people coming East on King (from Immaculata towards Malvern) end up in the oncoming lane, because it's difficult to see the small median there.
Kevin Ritter
8:36 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Textbook example of good intentions without common sense. Sven, I think you should contact PennDOT and request that they also install a wheelchair lane from Paoli to West Chester.
Pete
8:41 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
@Mad Dog - you are right, that is a great idea. I wonder if that is PennDOTs intersection.
CC
9:00 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
a classic example of putting the cart before the horse. Install sidewalks, then ramps. Speaking of ridiculous rules of compliance, has anyone taken a look at the Malvern train station handicap ramp? You would need to be an Olympic athlete to get up that ramp!
Pete
9:04 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
That ramp is impressive and hilarious at the same time. I think total distance is twice as long as the distance to the corner of the parking lot that meets the sidewalk at the top of the hill.
citizenknow
11:58 am on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
At sometime, somewhere in Harrisburg, PennDOT was given this allocation of funds for these ramps. They need the ramps to upgrade the intersections. It isn't their responsibility to put sidewalks in, and everyone knows Willistown never will because frankly there is no good use for sidewalks here.
Jim R.
1:28 pm on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
The upgrade to the intersection is phase 2 of a 3 part project in relationship to the Applebrooke project at Line and Paoli Pike.
Pete Kennedy
7:12 pm on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Thanks for the info, Jim. Do you know what phase 3 is? (And phase 1, for that matter?)
Jackie
1:11 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
Does Phase 3 include sidewalks? It would be cool to be able to safely walk/jog to East Goshen park on sidewalks. Without sidewalks, what is the purpose of these sidewalk ramps? If they don't do sidewalks, we have to submit pictures of these strange intersections to Weird Pennsylvania - http://www.weirdus.com/states/pennsylvania/index.php
Kristin Thomas
2:13 pm on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
I don't get it. Are there future plans to add the needed sidewalks to this crosswalk to make it usable? It would be great if the neighborhoods on the north side of Sugartown could walk to school. How is someone going to get a wheelchair to Bryn Mawr rehab without a sidewalk? Sidewalks would also be great along King St. from Grubb/Duffryn so that the entire Greentree neighborhood could walk into the borough (it would only require 2 blocks of sidewalks minimum), especially once the East King St project is complete.
Kristin Thomas
2:17 pm on Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Completely agree about the need for a turning lane or green arrow light at King and Paoli Pike. Dangerous.
Kristin Thomas
3:29 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
I meant Warren and Paoli Pike.
Tim Caban
1:23 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012
The other solution to the King rd 352 intersection is to have each direction go at one time on 352. That is already what is done on King rd where the east and west go at separate times. The danger is from cars on 352 turning onto king. Make each North and Southbound lane go at separate times and the issue will be solved. Yes, it will mean more of a wait, but so would a turning lane.
Jared
11:44 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
The best thing you can do is to contact the local Representative Dwayne Milne.
Uptick
5:28 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Another worthless shovel ready project !!! Is it time yet for "Cash for Clunkers 2". The only people making money are the government employees and the government contractors. The rest of us can a dig a little deeper in our pockets to pay for these useless projects and the pensions of the clowns who drew them up.
Larry Sybrandt
6:03 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
I noticed these ramps at Paoli pike and Line road as well. It's so out of place. It's like a little island of concrete but it doesn't connect to any sidewalk. How would a person in a wheelchair even get there?
Domenic Falcone
8:39 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012
Quit wasting taxpayers' money! Residents of the township must unite against these useless projects.
Jared
9:09 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
So I got the following response from our local Rep. Apparently I'll have to contact our Senator!
"I do agree with your assessment about the waste with this project. This is definitely a "sidewalk to nowhere" situation, especially since no sidewalks
are actually going to be laid.
This is actually the federal government at work (and not a state decision). Under the federal mandate of Americans with Disabilities (ADA) Act, anywhere there is a cross walk indicator (button to change lights) there has to be handicap accessible ramps. In fact, some 16,000 such intersections are being built in the (broadly defined)
Philadelphia area.
Classic case where an otherwise laudable law/idea should be interpreted with more common sense at times."
Bob
7:05 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
duh, wheelchairs will work on the grass. they even make off road tires. and with a power chair or power assist it is no big deal. but the number of people in wheelchairs hit and injured or killed by cars when they are forced into the road is quite high.
Bob